From the looks of the
Kickboxing Message Board, this last weekends
K-1 in Osaka Japan was anything but a great show. As someone stated on there...
"The Fighting Sport of the
Now wait K-1, before you go and get upset with us and send us
nasty e-mails etc. etc., understand that "YOU"
put yourselves in this spot. As everyone here knows, the IKF has went above and beyond to assist in
supporting K-1 over the
years through web articles, ad banners and more. We say "Above and
Beyond" because these K-1 events are not sanctioned by the IKF and we have never been paid a penny for any of
our press coverage of any of the K-1 Events. Also, as a policy, we only do news
on our news page that is related to
IKF people or for events that are
sanctioned by the IKF. In the past though,
we have only made exceptions for one group... K-1.
Over the years, there have been times we could have spoke up
negatively about some of the decisions K-1 made that many have questioned, but
we held silent out of respect. We held back from speaking our minds and writing
stories about some of those questionable decisions because it would have sounded
like a jealous action instead of constructive criticism. However, it wasn't
until this last January that we couldn't take some of these recent decisions any
longer. In January of this year we posted a story asking your views about Japan
and K-1. The story was entitled "Is Japan Setting The Standards Of Our Sport? It's
Impressive What Money Can Do... Lots of IT!"
Later in May of this year Johnny Davis, felt he had to
say something as well in his article entitled, K-1- If It Glitters
Is it Gold? Both articles
brought e-mails from those involved in K-1 as if the thoughts were "Out of
line". The question today is, "Where they or were they a vision of
what was to come?"
After this last Saturday nights K-1 Osaka event, we as the
leading organization for kickboxing in the world today, decided we can no longer
hold back all those thoughts about the direction K-1 has been taking ever since
Ishi was arrested for tax evasion (See stories on our December 2002 news page).
Since this happened, it seems the direction of the mighty K-1 machine has taken
a drastic turn SOUTH! Nearly every school or gym owner reading this are being
asked today by their students and even some potential kickboxing sponsors, "Was
that REALLY Kickboxing I saw Saturday night? Some of it looked like a Circus Act
to me! Some of those fighters couldn't even kick. And this is what Kickboxing's
BEST Promotion looks like?"
All this wasn't nearly as damaging as the 2 TV Executives and
several potential TV Sponsors we spoke to today that asked us pretty much the
same thing. "You want us to put what we saw on TV Saturday night on our
Network Station? You want us to put our name on that? You have to be kidding! If
we wanted big time wrestling we would be talking with the WWE!" But
wait we responded, "Our IKF TV Program
is different!" Which they replied, "Never mind, we seen
With this being said, as the leading promotional company in our
sport, the Public Eye is on K-1 more than the rest of us. K-1's actions speak
for all of us to those unknown in our sport and recently, those actions have
really hurt our sport as a whole.
While K-1 is pocketing money from PPV,
ticket sales, merchandise and those "OTHER" means of income we all
know about, the rest of us are losing it from potential sponsors who are
appalled and laughing at our sport from what K-1 has represented it to them as.
Attention K-1... You "REALLY" need to listen. That is,
unless you could care less what you're doing to the rest of us in Kickboxing.
As a saying goes in self defense and martial arts, "If
you don't put yourselves in a position where you HAVE TO defend yourself, you
don't have to worry about defending yourself." However, in the last few
months, K-1 has done just about everything to bring them under the watchful eye
of "ALL OF US" in the sport of kickboxing as well as EVERYONE
else in the Nation. Having fighters (If you can call him that) such as
Bob Sapp on the "Tonight Show" brought attention to
the sport as a whole. But after Saturday, did it do more harm than good? YES!
Because even those outside our sport watched this last weekends show on ESPN
Over the years we have all grown to respect and admire the
great works of Ishi and his great powerhouse K-1 invention. However
since his "Public"
departure (He is still VERY ACTIVE in ALL of the K-1 decisions as
we were told recently from Japan) we have decided to take a stand today and
say "Enough is Enough!" All this Sapp, Tyson
and Botha (Left) parade is not just making people question K-1's
reality, It's now hurting ALL of KICKBOXING!
We as the kickboxing faithfuls have all supported K-1. Those
with websites have all done stories on them. Those with magazines have all wrote
about them. Nearly every kickboxing or MMA/NHB website has placed their links or
ad banners on our pages. Yes, so many have gone above and beyond for K-1 while
out-right ignoring the many other fighters, trainers and promoters in our sport
just because they don't have the big star studded promotions or all the big $$
to offer. Look at magazines like Inside Kung Fu or Black
Belt just to name a couple. WHERE are the stories about the
fighters NOT in K-1? These are really the ones making things happen in our sport
yet the only place we read about their accomplishments are on the IKF News page. Are they not worthy enough to have an
article in a magazine? These very people BUY and SUPPORT those magazines, yet
the magazines shun them for the Glitz and Gold portrayed by the Mighty K-1 Machine.
Those in the trenches (The amateur trainers, school owners
and fighters) who are doing all the work to bring fighters to the level of a
promotion like a K-1 event are being shunned by todays media sources. Is their
work worthless to those in the media? And worse yet, are these up and coming
REAL Kickboxers soon to take a back seat to TOUGHMEN FIGHTERS and now,
How many of you trainers or school owners have bought a Inside
Kung Fu or Black Belt magazine to put in your school
lobby? How many of you have put up a K-1 Poster and urged your students to
purchase this last weekends ESPN K-1 PPV show? Lots of you! All because K-1 has
told us all "They are not our competition, they serve us all."
Well, do they truly "SERVE" us all or are they now "Hurting"
Lets take the first part first. HOW are they serving
martial arts and kickboxing?
What have they brought to the sport in the
last 5 years? A tournament for HEAVYWEIGHTS. Is that it? What about the other
90% of the kickboxers fighting today? Why are they not on TV earning the big K-1
$$$? OK, for arguments sake, K-1 does not have to put them on any of their
events, but isn't this a two way street? If they don't serve us, why are we
serving them? Just because were all "Nice Guys" who want to "Help"
the sport? Are we really HELPING the sport or are we Helping K-1 make a lot of
$$$? You don't have to think much on that one do you...
In the IKF, we always
answer to the people. You the kickboxing fighters, trainers, officials and fans.
You speak, we listen. We listen, we take action. From this action we improve and
from that improvement, We have ALL made our sport better for ALL of us.
Kickboxing is more organized today than it ever has been yet why isn't a company
like ESPN re-signing any kickboxing contracts? Instead, they signed into a
partnership deal with K-1, an organization that features ONLY Heavyweights.
Again, what about the other 90% of the fighters in our sport. Will we forever be
left with just watching Heavyweights on a large network such as ESPN? It appears
Money has a way of grabbing peoples attention. All of us have
followed K-1's growth and have been very impressed with what they have built and
always eager to see their next move. We have seen them land the "BIG"
Sponsors the rest of us seek for, the TV deals with groups such as ESPN and put
on the Biggest Shows we have ever seen! Nearly all of us have even been to a K-1
promotion and have been awe struck at the pyrotechnics, the light show and the
glitz and glamour. The GOLD was what we saw, but now I look back and ask myself
about Johnny Davis' article...It
But Is it Really Gold?
Now for the second part, Are they Hurting us ALL?
had worked hard to build in many peoples opinion, the greatest production event
the sport of kickboxing has ever seen. So the question is, "Why destroy
it?" We ask this because this is what we have seen happen over the last
several K-1 Events. Sure, there are the issues of poor officiating here and
there but lets be honest, every fight sport will have it's share of questionable
calls. Sad but true, it's part of the game. But we are not writing this because
so many have told us that former IKF
Amateur National Champion Carter Williams was robbed in his bout this
last weekend, (See sidebar story at right) although it could be a good
reason. No, we are making a stand because today we are asking ourselves as many
others are questions like...
- "With all the great kickboxers in the world who have worked their
butts off in training, WHY is K-1, the Greatest Promotional machine for
kickboxing today, using someone like Sapp to be their spokesperson and
their STAR fighter?
- Why is K-1 signing those who the sport of Boxing turned their back on such
as Tyson and Botha?
- Is K-1 that disparate to get attention?
- Are they that "STARVED" for fighters?
- Who was doing the thinking when they thought a boxer like Tyson
would make a good "KICKBOXER" in K-1?
Sounds like money talking to us because K-1 is sure not helping
the sport of kickboxing, and this we need to start to look at! Let us add
something else to this mix. K-1 brought in Boxer Francois Botha of South
Africa to debut as a K-1 fighter against Cyril Abidi on last weekends
event. The question is, "How did he all of a sudden get into the mix
without having to go through any qualifying tournament?" Is this truly
fair to all the other Heavyweight Kickboxers around the world that have worked
hard for such a shot? Here is how K-1 wrote the bout up:
Botha charged in toward Abidi from
the bell. A duck-and-cover Abidi slipped and fell, at which point Botha
administered a totally vicious uppercut to the prone French kickboxer's head,
which would have been the nice coup de grace were it not that, under K-1 rules,
hitting an opponent when he is down is totally illegal. Now, Botha is a
smart guy who attended the rule meeting, so he ought to have known what he did
was wrong. Abidi certainly did, and so, his eye aching from the sucker
punch, he elected not to continue, and was awarded the victory after Botha
All this happened in just 19 seconds. Said Abidi at the
post-bout interview space: "The punch hurt my eye, I felt dizzy, and
didn't think I could continue with that disadvantage."
Here is what will get you...
An anonymous source of ours in Japan told us that K-1 paid right at $500,000
just to have Botha show up for those 19 seconds... Lets do the math
there... Around $26,315.78 per second
isn't it? Thats money well invested... How many events could that $26,315.78 of
sponsored in "REAL KICKBOXING?"
From what we have observed in the last 8 months, K-1 is
starting to care less and less about the sport of kickboxing and more and more
about the $$$ they can put in their pocket. Oh sure, we support anyone making a
buck and the truth is, we are not afraid to admit that many of us are jealous of
the money K-1 is raking in. Who wouldn't be?!
However, what you are all missing is that money they
are raking in is because all of us have been supporting them and continue to do
You purchase the K-1 PPV, tack up their posters, post their
articles and ads and go to those events. Yes, we are all guilty of supporting a
Giant that is in reality doing nothing for us. Or are they...?
Why yes they are, they are destroying the name of Kickboxing by
bringing in the Sapps and making them their stars which is an insult to
those who are REAL FIGHTERS!
"Oh but I won't turn my back on them because what if
K-1 wants to work with me? I can't afford to burn a bridge there." We
have heard this so many times it's getting old, even several times today. We
have continued to support a production that has given NOTHING back to the mass
majority of us in the sport. Let us say that again, They have given NOTHING
back to the mass majority of the sport! In fact, K-1 has only pleased leg
kicking super heavyweights. What about the other 15 weight classes and the other
rule styles? But wait, now they are even slowly turning their backs on those
kickboxers who have given their all in our sport as they now turn to... TOUGHMEN
FIGHTERS and BOXERS?
If you listen closely enough, you can hear the world of boxing
laughing their heads off at kickboxing today. Bob Sapp is nothing more
than an over-rated "TOUGHMAN" fighter who is being paid BIG
MONEY by K-1, as if he is our STAR! Did Sapp make K-1? Hell NO! "REAL" kickboxers made K-1. Real
kickboxers gave their sweat and blood to make it the king of the fighting
sports. Some gave so much to K-1 that in their gallant efforts they destroyed
their own careers by the injuries that got from it. Some who come to mind are
Curtis Schuster, Rick Roufus, and Jim Mullen.
What is worse, according to the K-1 report on the event, "IF"
the "Heavily-favored" American fighter Bob Sapp would have won
his bout against rising K-1 star Remy Bonjasky Saturday night, he would
have joined the evening's six other winners in advancing to this years K-1 GP
Final, set for December 6th at the Tokyo Dome. NO WAY! HOW did Sapp
even get a shot to qualify for such a spot?
But wait, K-1 swears they are "NOT" kickboxing! They
claim to be the "New Fighting Sport!" So is the "New
Fighting Sport" a bit of big time wrestling, kickboxing and MMA/NHB all
mixed together? Isn't their use of the name kickboxing insulting to us all when
we see it being mixed in with big time wrestling and circus? Sure, they don't
need the name kickboxing... Ya right... Just like "Cardio Kickboxing"
classes assure us they are doing kickboxing moves...
Earlier this year ESPN said "NO" to showing
kickboxing programming that would have featured TRUE TALENT in our sport in "ALL"
the weightclasses and rule styles. Instead, ESPN made a deal with K-1 that had
some ties to the Tyson signing even, to partner up with them and have
ESPN PPV Kickboxing with K-1. Was Saturday nights event really what ESPN was
thinking when they bought it? Who knows... As the Reality TV Programs have
proves, "Entertainment SELLS" and so do the right characters
like a Butterbean, Bob Sapp and of course, Mike Tyson.
The Osaka event also saw an appearance in the ring by Shannon
Briggs, (Left) a 31 year old boxer who fought against (and beat)
George Foreman in 1997. He also lasted 5 rounds against Lennox Lewis
in 1998 before being stopped. will he now take the place of another up and
coming kickboxer who has been working to get to the K-1 Show?
Saturday's event drew a crowd of around 31,700 to the Osaka
Dome, and was same day broadcast on Fuji TV network in Japan, on ESPN
Pay-Per-View in the United States, and on different regional sports television
networks across Europe and Oceania. It was as always one of the largest
productions for kickboxing in the World. Our only worry though is will we soon
lose K-1 to boxing or will it always be a sport supported by Kickboxing? If they
continue to sign toughman fighters and boxers, the question we will ask to all
of you is,
"Why do we in the sport
of Kickboxing want to support an event that turned it's back on us all for a
Yet still asks for our TOTAL SUPPORT?"
Said One E-Mailer: "This is no surprise to many
though. Like in "ANY" sport, a Promoter cannot Police Themselves which
is the case here...
K-1 CANNOT Police Themselves!
are a Promotional company that has their own officials (referees, judges and
doctors who happen to give all the drug tests and who have the power to call any
fights) their own rules and their own regulations. It's THEIR SHOW, THEIR
GAME, THEIR SPORT & THEIR RULES. If one doesn't like it, they can just go
- OSAKA, October 11, 2003 - FULL EVENT
- Ray Sefo of New Zealand defeated Carter Williams of USA by
officials decision due to fouls.
- Peter Graham wins due to injury of Sam Greco's left foot
after he kicked Graham.
- Alexy "The Scorpion" Ignashov defeated Mike Bernardo
- Peter Aerts defeated Jerrel Venetiaan by unanimous
- Stephan Leko defeated Francisco Filho by decision.
- Cyril Abidi defeated Francois Botha by officials
disqualification after Botha hit Abidi in the head when he was on the floor.
- Remy Bonjasky defeated Bob Sapp of USA by officials
disqualification after Sapp hit Bonjasky in the back of the head when he was on
- Superfight: Bjorn Bregy defeated Michael McDonald by TKO.
can only hope this article serves as a Wake-Up call to you.
We can only
hope that you do not destroy what ALL OF US have
helped you build...
With the edition
of Bob Sapp,
(Taking the chair above and being choked below)
K-1 has been given the title of "The K-1 Circus"
by many in
The only problem is, that circus name is attached to all
of us in the sport and when fight fans see K-1,
they think all of
kickboxing is like this...
Even the potential high powered and
A picture speaks a thousand words as
seen above and
from a K-1 event earlier this year.
Is Bob Sapp (Above)
the answer to kickboxing's Popularity
and Success around the world or just
leading clown of the once admired K-1 Circus?
recent K-1 signing
(Above) brought a lot of attention to K-1.
what K-1 paid him still remains a mystery.
Questions still remain as
to whether or not he
played a KEY part in the ESPN K-1 PPV
deal between ESPN & K-1 signed
around the same time.
AMAZING to the Kickboxing
World is why did K-1,
an organization that
prides itself on
CLASS and Professional decisions,
sign a fighter who
has NEVER kicked a day
in his life and has shown NO CLASS in his
recent Boxing bouts. Also STILL in question
is where exactly will he fit
into the K-1
Game plan or as some have called it,
"The Bob Sapp Circus."
Even The Real Kickboxing
Kickboxers Hook It Up
Ray Sefo (L) & Carter Williams (R)
according to sources, the K-1 Officials
on the outcome of this bout.
The K-1 officials "CLAIMED"
Williams kneed Sefo.
One knee in round 1 could have very
been a call for a groin strike which
Carter got a yellow
but it was called back by the head
K-1 Official because he
corner that it should have been just a warning.
In round 2 Williams kneed Sefo in the gut and Sefo
as if he was hit in the groin.
Replays of this proved to be no knee to the
groin which even the
commentators for the PPV show admitted this.
round 2 continued, Williams threw a forearm
at Sefo which
Williams got a second
yellow card for which was thrown after Sefo
punched Williams in the throat.
After this, the K-1 Doctors
had a look at Sefo's
eye and decided he could not continue, and so
K-1 rules the fight went to the score cards.
Here's where it
At this point, the K-1 referee came over to
corner and gave Williams a red card
"AFTER" the yellow
card. In K-1 rules, a fighter must have
"THREE" yellow cards
before a red card
(Point deduction) is given and Williams
only had 2. After the point deduction, Sefo
was up by a point
on two cards, the third judge scored
the fight a draw. As the decision was
even Sefo shook his head sympathizing with
frustration. HOW did the judges have
Sefo up on the cards?
Yet Sefo got the win...
What else is
there to this story...
Posts Below Taken From The
Kickboxing Message Board
- Posted by K-1 What a JOKE ! ??????????????????????? on
October 12, 2003 at 00:43:29:
THe ppv fights I spent my money to see tonight
was a joke and any real kickboxer should see that. it was loaded with bullys and
f- punks who hit fighters when they were clearly down because they were getting
their asses kicked. Sapp got his ass kicked and was going to be knocked out and
punked out instead...Botha has always been dirty and prove it again. the
williams guy was on the way to a win-what happen with that decision? I saw the
elbow but shoudn't that had been a foul or something else? I'm new to watching
th k1 stuff but had boxed a long time with some kickboxing. what i saw tonight
i'm not suyre about. help me understand.
- In Reply to: k1 a joke posted by K-1 What a JOKE !
??????????????????????? on October 12, 2003 at 00:43:29:
Next time, get onto sherdog's thread and follow along and save the money.
There are always a couple of guys willing to provide minute-by-minute commentary
while they watch the live broadcast. I stopped ordering these horrendous
displays of "kickboxing" a couple of years ago. While many of the
fighters certainly deserve a tremendous amount of respect (Williams, Bonjasky,
etc.), the jokers that have been imported (Sapp, Botha, etc.) have reduced the
overall quality to the brink of absurdity. The fighting sport of the future???
- Posted by Ray Thompson on October 12, 2003 at 13:39:28:
In Reply to: Re: k1 a joke posted by Stephen on October 12, 2003 at 11:14:46:
Agreed with 100%. Carter got ripped!! He was rippin Sefo.
- Posted by Kickboxer on October 12, 2003 at 17:29:40: In
Reply to: Re: k1 a joke posted by Ray Thompson on October 12, 2003 at 13:39:27:
are right about everthing, except, Carter hit with an elbow, and hit below the
belt (Balls) more than once. He also recieved two yellow cards. Because of the
fouls, he lost on points. Do you actually think that Sefo could have continued?
I do not believe he should be allowed to. If Sefo was your Fighter, what then
would you have to say about the decision? You may have another view of the
Fight. Sapp & Botha do not belong in Kickboxing, the K1 is no longer about
the best Fighters competing. They should have Regional Events to qualify for the
Fights like last night. Then, we would not have Sapp or Botha in there.
- Posted by K-1 fan and sefo fan on October 12, 2003 at
20:20:27: In Reply to: Re: k1 a joke posted by Kickboxer on October 12, 2003 at
You must be a f%^&*ing jerk Ray got beat and I've been a fan
of his for years and here comes this kid Carter Williams and "KICKS"
Rays ass antbody coulkd see that you ignorant asshole and the ball stikes "WATCH
THE SLOW MOTION ,LISTEN TO THE COMMENTATERS" jerk off wanna bees stay out
- Posted by Ray Thompson on October 12, 2003 at 18:26:57:
In Reply to: Re: k1 a joke posted by Kickboxer on October 12, 2003 at 17:29:40:
are absolutly right about a regional qualifier, but isn't that what we saw last
night. Wasn't this a qualifier for the K-1 Grand Prix? Also you are right in
that Sapp and Botha do not belong in kickboxing (if they continue fighting like
they have been).
- Posted by Ray Thompson on October 12, 2003 at 18:22:16:
In Reply to: Re: k1 a joke posted by Kickboxer on October 12, 2003 at 17:29:40:
I agree the FOREARM (not elbow) did not look good but these guys are pros
and are conditioned athletes. The abuse they take is part of there job. Elbows
are common in Muay Thai therefor probably the reason for Carter throwing it, but
again it was not an elbow AND it was more of a push than a strike. There was no
aparant damage caused by the forearm. The damage to the eye was done earlier in
the bout by a knee by Carter. Carter did not loose any points because of the
yellow cards. I only saw two yellow cards awarded to Carter and you must have
three to have points removed. As for "if Sefo was your fighter you would
probably have a different view". You are absolutly right, if he was my
fighter I WOULD have a different view but I wouldn't be very unbiased would I? I
would be naturally biased toward my fighter. Being that neither Carter or Sefo
are my fighters I can make little more of an unbiased judgement. Now remember
these are MY opinions, not everybody elses. Thank you.
- Posted by Carter Watch on October 12, 2003 at 15:29:25:
In Reply to: can you be more specific? posted by chris on October 12, 2003 at
Carter was robbed, but whats new, it was k-1! and since he wasn't
the FREAK SHOW, he wasn't meant to win. as reported by k-1, Williams vs Ray
Sefo of New Zealand. "I've been following K-1 since I was 15," said
Williams at the pre-event press conference, " and it will be a great honor
for me to step into the ring with Ray Sefo." Wisely, Williams left his
personal respect for Sefo outside the ring, and this was a thrilling fight.
Looking the bad boy, Williams came out fast and furious in the first round, with
smart technical punch and kick combinations, while Sefo muscled his way inside
to counter with tight hooks, just missing twice with potentially devastating
uppercuts. Sefo's low kicks looked good and sounded hard, but Williams didn't
seem bothered by these. Williams relentless in-and-out punch and kick attacks
had Sefo's right eye puffed up something awful by the end of the round, and had
the challenger up on one judge's card. Again in the second the young American
impressed, racking up the points and shutting down Sefo's counters. Really now
it was looking like Williams' fight to lose -- which, sadly, he did. After
landing a knee below the belt Williams was assessed a yellow card. Moments
later, from the clinch, Williams threw a sloppy elbow up to Sefo's eye, and this
brought him a red card and one point penalty. Doctors had a look at Sefo's eye
and decided he could not continue, and so under K-1 rules the fight went to the
score cards. Sefo was up by a point on two cards, the third judge scored the
fight a draw. As the narrowest possible margin of victory was announced, Sefo
slowly shook his head back in forth, sympathizing with Williams' frustration. A
very spirited contest, in which the inexperienced Carter Williams took too many
penalties, and ended up beating himself.
- Posted by from k-1's mouth on October 12, 2003 at
15:34:32: In Reply to: Re: Carter was ROBBED!!!!!!! posted by Carter Watch on
October 12, 2003 at 15:29:25:
as reported by k-1, The main event had the
world sports media buzzing for weeks -- a showdown between big bully Bob "The
Beast" Sapp of America, and sleek and fast Dutch Muay Thai fighter Remy "The
Panther" Bonjasky. In a pre-bout poll, 11 of the 13 Japanese sportswriters
said Sapp would beat Bonjasky. K-1 USA fans, presumably, were also in Sapp's
corner, after all, this was the fighter who had twice defeated the great Ernesto
Hoost, K-1 's only Four-time World GP Champion. On the other hand, most European
K-1 fans were convinced Bonjasky would humiliate Sapp. Well, the Europeans were
right. Sapp's much-heralded new "secret techniques" amounted to deep
breathing and some hard low kicks, but were no match for Bonjasky's run and gun
offence. Try as he might to corral the Dutch fighter with his trademark
haymakers, the sleek Panther repeatedly slipped out of the trap, responding with
quick and effective low kicks on the counterstrike. Bonjasky also worked the
knees, and, head down, sometimes simply pushed Sapp back when the big guy tried
to get inside. Bonjasky also made a study of nimble backstepping, almost always
able to scurry out of trouble. By midway through the first, Sapp was panting for
breath, no longer able to march in, a sitting target that Bonjasky could strike
at will. Refreshed somewhat after the break, Sapp came out swinging in the
second, throwing out a rally that included a couple of not bad kicks. But
Bonjasky was always better, and scored a down with a high kick just 52 seconds
in. When Bonjasky stumbled soon afterwards, Sap came in gracelessly with a late
blow to the back o his head, and was assessed red card. The Dutch fighter, like
Abidi before him, opted to collect the win rather than continue against an
opponent who had given up on the rules.
- Posted by from k-1 on October 12, 2003 at 15:37:27: In
Reply to: Re: Another SAPP Freak SHOW! posted by from k-1's mouth on October 12,
2003 at 15:34:32:
as reported by k-1, The Osaka event also saw an
appearance in the ring by Shannon Briggs, a 31 year-old Brooklyn-born
heavyweight boxer who beat George Foreman in 1997 and lasted five rounds against
Lennox Lewis in a challenge for the WBC Title back in 1998. "I love the K-1
production and the fans, there is nothing like this back home," said
Briggs, who is in negotiations for a possible appearance with K-1 "Of
course, it's like fresh water fish going to saltwater for most boxers coming to
try K-1, but I have been training in Thai boxing for two years." Briggs is
the latest in a growing line of heavyweight boxers vying for a spot on Bob
Sapp's dance card.
- Posted by johnny D on October 12, 2003 at 19:38:12:
night,I like so many others watched the K-1 event on PPV. Again, Scott Coker put
on a first class production. Continued success to him and his crew. Some of
fighters showed some good skills. However, others showed about as much
discipline as Tyson bitting Holyfield's ear. As a promoter and I'm sure I speak
for many others out there, Kickboxing and most of the other styles that
paticapate in the K-1 and kickboxing events worldwide mostly come from one of
the "DISCIPLINES" of the Martial Arts which always teaches RESPECT
etc. For those that practice respect and discpline in the heat of
battle...thanks. For those that have never heard of the word(s)or who are just
entering this or a new martial DISCIPLINE please seek out your nearest
dictionary for the meaning of respect and discipline. (Sapp,Botha and incoming
Biggs please take note) In the end, what is dangerous about some of the foul
antics we saw last night is that those sponsors who all of us promoters try too
often to impress may be quickly turned off by those they feel are well armoured
but uncontrolable and lacking discipline and respect that's all so important in
the "sport of fighting". Food for thought for the greater
good...Forward March !
- Posted by PJ on October 13, 2003 at 00:38:56: In Reply
to: K-1 fighters Discipline Please...for the greater good posted by johnny D on
October 12, 2003 at 19:38:12:
johnny, coker did not promote the show so dont
kiss his ass. the show was a joke. no matter what you say to try to be the good
guy to everyone here or for whatever reasons, lets don't pad the words. this
show sucked and a lot of us wasted our money on it. sapp, botha, and soon to be
tyson! What the f#$% are they doing in OUR SPORT! they don't care, they come in,
destroy it with shit like last nights circus, take all the money and leave us
here to deal with the aftermath! if a sponsor gives these jokers money, they
make a big mistake. they need to start supporting the real fighters and real
promoters. not this shit k1 force fed us last night. i am ashamed to be part of
kickboxing. if k1 wants to share the name of kickboxing with us, we need to
boycott this shit!. they need to claim their own sport as they say, and continue
to call it the new fighting JOKE and change their name to c-1 for circus 1!!!!!!
- Posted by Johnny D on October 13, 2003 at 12:08:08: In
Reply to: Re: Join the circus! posted by PJ on October 13, 2003 at 00:38:56:
but for the record. In case you don't know me, I don't kiss up to anyone. If you
knew the history of Scott and I, you would know that I have no reason to do
this. NONE! The Production lights, camera, and huge crowd does say something to
a good promotion regardless of the quality or lack there of in some of the
fights on the event. I would like to think that they (k1 promoters) too were
disappointed in the outcome of some of the fights and will make proper ammends
in the future. One would hope so at least. Also, I did read on the credits
Executive Producer Scott Coker. Perhaps my eyes played a trick but I thought I
saw it. end of story